"I don't want to imagine my life without science"

Amaia Zurutuza works with fashion material, graphene. But Zurutuza hardly knew graphene when interviewed as scientific director of the company Graphenea. It came from the pharmaceutical industry, that is, from an investigation that has nothing to do with, and yet had dowry to jump into physics. In February, Amaia Zurutuza attended the radio program Norteko Ferrokarrilla, where she spoke about her work and her life.

"I don't want to imagine my life without science"


As a scientific director, do you have more time than a conventional director to pursue research?

We are more immersed in science and should not get so much into the financial arena. For this we have another person, the director general. But it is true that as a small company we have to do everything. We started in April 2010, at that time I was alone and therefore I had to do everything. The account has now been better defined.

But, for example, today I don't do any experiments. The higher you are in the workplace, the less laboratory work you do in your daily activity. Above all I am with clients, I write projects, I look for ways to develop new applications of graphene, and I do things like that. I go to the lab every day, but I don't usually spend many hours there. I say it with a little grief. But I think that is natural or normal progression.

The company Graphenea does not have its headquarters, is located in the cic-nanoGUNE. Why?

In the end we are a very small company, we are only six people. So, we can't have a whole building just for us. In addition, we need a lot of equipment to conduct graphene related research. And that's why we're inside cic-nanoGUNE, in Donostia. We have offices there and we also have a laboratory for rent. We paid money to be there. But we feel that residency is ours.

You work with graphene. It is a fashion research topic, it seems that it will solve all our problems. Is that so?

I don't know if to solve the problems, but it is curious or differential. It has many properties in one material: normally, in order to have all these properties you must join many materials. In this case it is a single material so it is very interesting. In addition, it is a material made exclusively of carbon atoms, and it is very important to have two-dimensional material. It is very fine, they are sheets of a single atom of thickness (it is what we call of two dimensions). It is the first isolated two-dimensional material. Isolated in 2004, other two-dimensional materials have since been isolated, but graphene was the first.

Graphene comes from graphite and graphite is also found in the pain of the pencil.

Yes, they say that every time you write in pencil pieces of graphene fall. By definition, graphene is a single layer of atoms. The truth is that it is very difficult to extract layers of a single atom from a pencil, but from this idea was isolated in 2004 by two scientists from Manchester, Andre Geim and Constantin Novoselov. The graphite was being cleaned, it was decided to analyze what was thrown into the trash and found graphene.

What do you do with graphene?

In graphenea we generate graphene. Graphite cleaning is not a suitable method for obtaining large sheets, for example. We use another synthetic process, the deposition of carbon atoms, to achieve a quality that allows graphene to be used in the industry. We work with companies, universities and research centers for many applications. For example, with NOKIA we are working to use graphene on mobile phone screens. Or to make flexible batteries. Or mechanically improve composites, increase conductivity, etc.

You mention applications, but your research is also theoretical in those projects. Should theoretical science be vindicated?
Amaia Zurutuza, next to the graphene machine CVD (Chemical Vapor Deposition). The machine generates graphene leaving the methane carbon on a base. Ed. © Jon Urbe/Photographic Press

Yes, yes. In fact, the structure of graphene was published in 1947. This publication was theoretical; graphene did not exist. Years later it was shown that it is possible to isolate graphene. More than 50 years have passed, but in the end the theory is very useful.

The recent news is that you participate in the Graphene Flagship project. What kind of project is it?

It is a very ambitious project. The European Union has granted 1,000 million for ten years. We are 74 partners, one of them, and so far they have given money for two and a half years. It is about to start in October and research is going to be done for many applications. From the point of view of Graphenea it has been very positive, not only for money, but because we want to market products with graphene.

Graphenea's work was an opportunity for you to return to Euskal Herria, but he has worked for many years in Scotland. What does Scotland have?

I don't know. I was at ease, left for a year and stayed 12 years. There were other Basques and there was a very nice atmosphere. People there are also very nice, and I have never felt foreign. When I played the Scottish team we were in favor of Scotland (laughs). They always lost.

There he did his thesis. What did he mean?

As a chemist, I got into the world of polymers and did a thesis on microgels. It had medical applications: they were polymers for intraocular contact lenses.

Then I spent three years in research work, even in polymers. And it was not very theoretical, it was practical, but it was far from the market and I wanted to do something close to the market. In the end I wanted to see the results. And I decided to enter the industrial world. It was in the right place. I started working at a pharmaceutical company near Glasgow.

Are these options common?

I know a lot of people who after studying in Britain have gone into the business world to do more practical research.

Is the situation here different?
Amaia Zurutuza, commercial prints of graphene in hand. Ed. © Jon Urbe/Photographic Press

For example, in this area there are very few companies here. There are other areas, but in the biomedical field very few companies. So I changed the area.

You returned and it was a turning point. And it was a big change, right?

Professionally it was very good. In the interview they did to me, the truth is that I didn't even know what graphene was, but I found it quite interesting. Professionally I am very happy.

And personally, I don't know. It hurts, but it was a stage and had to close it. Since then I have returned almost every year to Scotland. But I always look forward, and now I am happy.

If there is no science in your life, what?

Hard! I don't want to imagine my life if there's no science... I have long realized that I wanted to investigate. I liked it. In the end it is learning new things and knowing more and more. It is not something that is forgotten after eight hours of work. That makes this work a vocation.

Does the researcher travel a lot?

Yes, a lot. I, for example, last year was on almost every continent. And I like to travel, but in the end the rhythm is excessive for the body; traveling twice a month is too much (United States, Japan...). But so, for example, at congresses, you receive a lot of information; being here you would not receive it. That's why I like to travel. Of course, it's not the same to go on vacation to work, but good. In the end, I think it's very positive.

How do you see your relationship with the scope of disclosure? Is society entitled to ask for explanations from researchers?

Yes. In the end, we mean to everyone what we do. In short, we are very interested in our research and we like to say it to others. We value it very positive... Someone wants to know what I do! And he wants to understand it. Many times, for example, taking a drink at the bar and your friends ask you... "And what is that? And what is it for? ". And we respond happy.

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Bergara, 1975. He studied chemistry at UPV, at the Faculty of Chemistry of San Sebastian, and completed his career at Strathclyde University in Glasgow. He subsequently conducted his research in the pharmaceutical industry, at Ferring Pharmaceuticals, in the town of East Kilbride (near Glasgow). It is currently located in Donostia. He is the scientific director of the company Graphenea, dedicated to the research of graphene.

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